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, political reporter and commentator and michael hirsch, great to have you both here. joe, let me start with you. first, just as a matter of how bad was it last night, is it as bad as i thought it was? or i just showed you some good lines. did he have some saving graces? >> it was pretty bad. let's not sugarcoat it. i'm thinking dallas cowboys-chicago bears on monday night. obama was not quite as prohibitively bad as that, but it wasn't his best performance. he wasn't on his game. typically he gets stronger as these sorts of things tend to go on. so i think you'll see him come back in the debates the town hall format does favor him as you said earlier. he'll come back stronger, and he now knows what to expect. i think he did a very good job of laying out policies specific and being presidential and the adult in the room. and i also think contrary to a lot of public opinion romney helped him putting stuff out there that has been fact-checked all day long, the medicare thing, the pre-existing things, the tax cut things, very serious people have taken a good hard look at this overnight and
Oct 4, 2012 4:00pm PDT
're going to have to leave it there. michael hirsch, joe williams, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> cenk: to be fair. it was not just chris christie who got the debate right. our own jennifer granholm said that president obama would lose, and unfortunately she was right. when we come back, we'll talk to toby zeigler and talk about the theatrics about last night. what michael shure said was right. the president looked tired he didn't look as confident. how much of a difference will that make welcome we'll discuss that when we return. >> previously on the "west wing" wing." >> it's not rocket science, but it takes the voter an extra season seconds to find it. >> cenk: hey, there is richard. we'll talk to him in just a minute. and then later in the program the elbow of the day. someone delivers it on themselves. you can guess it. we'll share it later in the program. >>i jump out of my skin at people when i'm upset. do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot.